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Uncover Your Impactful Stories: A Masterclass with Storytelling Expert Chris Jordan

• Kim Bolourtchi • Season 5 • Episode 2

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In this episode, host Kim Bolourtchi sits down with Chris Jordan, a former top podcast producer and content strategist for thought leaders. Chris shares his insights on why it's so important for everyone to uncover and share their impactful stories - even if they don't see themselves as natural storytellers.

Chris explains how the most meaningful stories often come from our everyday experiences and challenges, and he provides practical tips for how to identify and craft these stories to make a real difference in people's lives. Whether you're looking to share your story through content, a podcast, or simply in your day-to-day conversations, this episode will inspire you to start uncovering the life-changing narratives you have to offer. 

Don't miss Chris' genius in action as he helps Kim workshop a vulnerable story from her own life that she can turn into an empowering post. If you've been hesitant to put yourself out there, this conversation will give you the push you need to start sharing your authentic voice with the world.


ABOUT CHRIS JORDAN: 

Chris Jordan is a storytelling coach helping entrepreneurs grow their businesses by telling impactful stories. He's a former top podcast producer and content strategist for thought leaders like Lewis Howes, Ben Nemtin, Dr. Benjamin Hardy, Daymond John and many more. Chris believes that everyone has life-changing stories to be told and he's here to help you learn how to uncover them. When he's not helping with stories, he's playing drums or spending time with his wife and 5 cats!

If you want to connect with Chris, send him a DM on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/imchrisjordan/


Kim Bolourtchi:

Kim. This is Kim Bolourtchi, and you're listening to Get Unruly, the podcast where we strategically challenge the rules that are holding us back. Today, you are in for a treat. Chris Jordan is my guest, and Chris is a master at helping people uncover their impactful stories. He's a former top Podcast Producer and content strategist for thought leaders like Lewis Howes, Ben nemtin, Dr, Benjamin, Hardy, Damon, John and more. He believes that everyone has life changing stories to be told, and he's here to help you learn how to uncover them when he's not helping with stories, he's playing drums or spending time with his wife and five cats. Welcome to the show, Chris. I am so excited to talk with you today. My audience is in for a treat. Everyone I've got. Chris Jordan, who is incredibly talented at helping people tell their real stories. Chris, welcome to the show.

Chris Jordan:

Thank you so much for having me. I am so happy to be here and excited to dive into anything and everything storytelling with you.

Kim Bolourtchi:

I'm super, super excited to pick your brain. So what I'd really love to start with is why you think it's important for people to tell their stories.

Chris Jordan:

I think that so many people don't view themselves as storytellers. I think it's traditionally safe for people in Hollywood that are writing books, making movies, that type of thing. But as we now have access to the internet, it's nothing new. But I think it's becoming more and more evident that everything we're putting out is technically a story. Every conversation we're having is a story. Every sales call we're having, ultimately, what's moving someone over the line is a story. Yet so many people downplay their experiences and don't think that they have really any stories to tell until they can learn how to identify these moments and try to realize, oh, you know, this happened to me. I didn't think it was a big deal, but actually, there is this lesson in here. And what I try to tell people, and try to help people with is like this thing that you might think this isn't a story, might be the lesson, the anecdote that could change someone else's life if you were willing to start telling it and start putting it out there, through maybe content, through a podcast Interview, or just in our day to day conversations.

Kim Bolourtchi:

Do you think those, those stories that you talk about, right, the things that are potentially life changing for other people? Are they the hard ones to tell because they're personal?

Chris Jordan:

Yes and no, I think that the most impactful ones definitely have a sense of vulnerability. I always tell people who are worried about being too vulnerable, you know, it's not that you have to share everything about your life, story you know, share what you're comfortable with. However, when I think about the stories or the people that I you know, look up to the most through maybe their content or something like that. It is the people where I can tell you about their life. I can tell you about the fact that they used to have to, like, sleep in their car, which is vulnerable. Not a lot of people would want to admit that. Yet, here's someone take, you know, Alex hormozi is a big name in this space who has a good example of that, of just like, having to sleep on the floor of his first business. And a lot of people would not want to own up to that, but now I can see where he is. That man's built, you know, a very successful business, but the fact that I know that it started out where he had to sleep on the floor of his first one, it creates this deep connection and and inspires me more than the people who share things online that that lacks vulnerability, that just feels like, you know, here's here's three ways to grow your business, but there's no like, I know how hard it is to grow your business, because this is where I was, and it has that vulnerability spot in it. However, I will say there is extreme value in just trying to be someone who tells stories in any capacity. So you don't have to go from zero to 100 you just gotta go from zero to one as a starting point.

Kim Bolourtchi:

I think that's really good advice. And I'm going to ask you kind of a hard question. You use the example of Alex hormozi, and he's very, very successful. And so I wonder if it takes somebody achieving a certain level of success to feel comfortable getting vulnerable, in other words, like once you're six. Successful. You know, it's easy to be like, Oh, by the way, here's how it was really hard for me at the beginning, because the table stakes are a lot lower. I think it's much harder when you're on the journey and you haven't gotten to where you want to go yet, right? And you're feeling kind of scared and unsure, and you're knowing that you want to be vulnerable, but you also feel like, if I share this vulnerable story, or I tell people really where I am in this moment, someone might look at, you know, look at you and be like, Oh yeah, you're actually not good enough to make it, or that could derail where you really want to go. I'm curious about, you know, what you would say to someone who feels like that? Because I think that experience is, I know I have felt that, you know, in the journey where I'm like, Oh, I'd love to tell that story, but, you know, I don't know that I've earned the right to tell that story yet.

Chris Jordan:

So I would say the question there would be, what does it mean to earn the right, you know, and I do think that so often, yes, it's like, Okay, once I've achieved this level of success, it is easier to be like, Oh, by the way, I totally agree with that. What I definitely have come to realize is, you know, so some of my background is working with personal brands thought leaders that have millions of followers, and so, yeah, it's a lot easier when it's something like that, to be like, Oh, by the way, however, I don't think that is everybody's goal, and that shouldn't be the goal of someone that's opening up to like, telling their stories through through content online. And you know, because what's what I feel is true is you don't need a million followers to make an impact. I always focus like, is there one life you can change through what you're willing to share? I think that you know a good example. My favorite example, if you want to get into it, is one of the stories that we helped you tell that there was a little bit of, you know, vulnerability in it, of you being a dancer. And that was a story where, you know, I'll flip it to you to, like, give some some context to that story. But I think that's a very like, we happen to have this very fun, you know, situation where we, like, work together to help you tell some of these stories. And that was one that's like, is my favorite example, because there was vulnerability in that you don't already have a million followers, but it was a very impactful story that a lot of people didn't know about you.

Kim Bolourtchi:

Yeah, no, that's true. The story you're talking about was, I think the one you're talking about is where you know, I kept the fact that I was a dancer hidden, and I was really afraid for a really long time to let people know, because I was worried that it was going to kind of tarnish my professional reputation, that people wouldn't take me seriously. And you encouraged me to put that out on LinkedIn and kind of tell that story. And I was like, oh, man, I don't know that feels very vulnerable to share, but you're right. I mean, when I did and I posted a picture, like a competition picture, which really pushed me out of my comfort zone, for sure, but it did really resonate with people. Because, you know, I think there are a lot of us out there who are putting ourselves into boxes, and, you know, this is what I talk about, is is, you know, this idea of, I can only be this version of myself. I can only show this version of myself. And I think this goes into content creation, where people are only, you know, letting audiences see the version they think is acceptable, or the version that they think is is comfortable or that follows the rules.

Chris Jordan:

And what I love about when we finally, you know, push you to to tell that story, put that post out there. I know it was like one of your top performing stories, and, and, and I don't care anymore about like, the amount of views, the amount of likes, like, some of that can be vanity. What I care about is like interaction and and like the the actual, tangible, oh, I can see this making an impact. And the comments that you received on that post, it was like You gave so many people permission to not box themselves in. And that's the power of vulnerability, no matter what level you know of success or wherever you're at in your journey. That's why it matters. And I think that, especially now, like the internet has been around for long enough, there's been plenty of of people you know, like, there's a difference, I think, between, like, putting out content and then like, really opening up and telling your story. There's enough. Like, here's the five ways to do this. I think that people really crave, like, something that feels real and and honestly, I would say, like some. Times people that are still like, all the way at the top, it's like, ah, you know, like, I don't, I do relate to it a little bit, but it's still like a barrier there, whereas when I see someone that's like a peer of mine or or maybe, you know, they're not this, like, massive like, influencer there just happened to be, like, someone that's doing great stuff, and, you know, happens to share some stories every once in a while that, like, actually makes a bigger impact on me. And so I actually, like, want to encourage people like, I think it's like, no matter where you're at right now, there is power in trying to tell those stories that you that you are afraid of. Again, I'm not, you know, you don't gotta share everything. But like, for you, it was you were afraid of sharing the fact that you are an awesome dancer. You compete like, that's not, that's not nothing. Like, that's crazy. And that's why I was, like, I want to see that, because I can see myself in my own like, sadly, I don't have the dance moves you have, but I can see it in my way, like, actually, I'm a musician, and I started to tell more stories after you put out that you were a dancer, and it inspired me. It's very meta, but it inspired me to post about the fact that I'm a musician to this crowd that, like, really had only known me for talking about stories and content. And what did it do all these people that I never heard from start coming in and be like, This is so cool. I didn't know this about you. And that's another example where I was I even I was like, slightly afraid of it. And then I was like, after I did, I was like, Why was I afraid? Like that, that is where the magic is, if we let it be told,

Kim Bolourtchi:

I love that, I love that. And I loved your posts about musician and playing with the band that was super, super cool. And I think it's such a good point because, you know, I always say, we live, we live the lessons that we teach. And, you know, over and over. In my case, I feel like I have to live the lessons so many times. Even though I stand on stages and I tell people, unbox yourself and show up whole and, you know, be fearless and letting people see who you are, I still have those moments where it's really hard to show up, you know, in certain spaces, especially where we're not most comfortable, and let people fully see who we are. And I think, you know, putting out content and doing it online, for me is probably the most uncomfortable space. What is? What is your your your secret sauce in helping people tell the stories, because you do it really well.

Chris Jordan:

Thank you for that. Yeah, I I ultimately feel that everyone that's listening, everyone out in the world, has so many interesting stories, insights, things that they could share that has the potential to change their peers lives, a random stranger on the internet, but we're really bad about noticing our own stories, and it's literally a skill though, that you can train like at this point, I feel like I've trained it myself, but what I've learned through working with you and working with other people is ultimately getting you to where you can get out of your own head about it. And there's the way that I do it is like we jump on a call and I'll interview you, and I'll let you just talk. I'll just listen. And when I put people in that space where they just have to answer these questions and think about it, suddenly all of these things start connecting. They're like, Oh yeah, I did have this experience which actually relates to this lesson over here. And all of these things that the I'll start a call, and I'll I'll ask somebody, I'm like, so you know, do you feel like you have stories to tell? And they're like, No, and we walk away with over 30 plus of them. But you know, if you don't have where someone can, like be that, you know, guide for you and create that space. One way that I do it is I will turn on my phone or turn on, you know, just something to record, and I will have a list of questions, and I'll sit there and I will just talk out loud through it, because for me, I I find that if I try to sit down and write something, I'm gonna like, I still like it. I love writing, but it's kind of hard to be messy when you're writing versus like, when you're talking, like, right now, we're just, we're having a conversation, we're going back and forth, and it feels so much more easy than if I was sitting down and trying to write any of the stuff I have just said to you, like, it would take me 10 times as long, versus right now, just talking about it and, you know, just trying to not you. Uh, not trying to be perfect. Just really like talking and then taking that recording, and then being able to, you know, with AI, that makes it very easy. You can run into chat GPT and have it like, report back to you, like, hey, here are the stories that you rambled about. And then you can start to be like, Okay, I rambled about it, and now I'm here, and I can look at this transcript and be like, Oh yeah, there are all these stories. The biggest thing I'm trying to say here is that so many of us are blind to like the stories in us. And so really it's about one trying to get out of outside of yourself and being like, okay, like, forget me, being like, Oh, it's too vulnerable, or anything like, what objectively here is actually probably interesting to at least one person, or, you know, working with somebody, or having someone that can kind of create that space for you to to just talk and then like, repeat back to you, Hey, that actually is really, really interesting, because what's in what's normal to us, and is like, Oh, it's nothing. It's probably the most interesting thing to so many people, but we just downplay it, because it's our day to day. And I think that's really it, like the biggest thing is, like, what do you do every single day that you're like, Oh, it's just my normal day. I bet you that is where you have 10 stories waiting to be told immediately.

Kim Bolourtchi:

I love that, and I think, I think that's the like, that's the gift, and the curse is that it is so natural. And I find this in in people identifying their strengths too, right? The things that we just do so easily and so naturally that are just like, oh, that old thing. And other people are saying, I could never do that. How do you do that? I don't understand how you do that. And you're thinking, What do you mean? That's just what I do. That's so easy for me. I think it's the same thing, if I'm hearing you correctly about our stories, is we don't recognize the value that they have, and so we don't realize that they could be helpful if they were told

Chris Jordan:

one quote that sticks with me every time I get even stuck, like, because I'm guilty of this too, like, I will Still get stuck doing something like telling my own stories, telling other people's stories, easy all day long. Love it, but there is a wonderful leader, Rory Vaden, who has this quote that is, you are always perfectly positioned to serve the person you once were. And anytime I'm feeling stuck and knowing what to tell, what to create, what to say, I think about that because so often we're like, oh, I need to make this piece that's, you know, going to help the whole world and change everybody's lives. That's a very daunting task, and also you can't, really, you know, be sure that that's going to happen. Like, it's very hard to be like, really sure of that. But what you can be sure of is, you know, this year, you probably went through something difficult, maybe in your business, in your life, you know, whatever the case may be, and if you just tell that story as if you were trying to give advice to yourself a year ago. It's going to impact other people. And that's like, a really easy way to kind of get out of your head of like, I need to make this perfect thing. It's like, no, just help you a year ago. And I just love that quote, You are perfectly positioned to serve the person you once were, like, I just honestly need to put it on the wall in front of me.

Kim Bolourtchi:

Yeah, no, that's real. That's really good. And I think it's, it's so true because we are again, it's we're living the lessons that we're meant to share and to teach. And I think the other thing that is so helpful is when you're not attached to the outcome, right? Like we get really focused. And social media has done this to us on the likes and the comments and the, you know, the metrics. But for me anyway, being able to just put something out from a place of I hope it helps. I hope it serves, and recognizing that we don't ever really know how many people it it helps or serves, because not everybody will click a Like button, not everybody will comment, but there are a lot of people I've run into, people who are like, oh, you know, you're one of my favorite followers on LinkedIn, and I I'm not even aware they've never commented on anything. They've never liked anything. I don't know this person's even paying attention to my content. So, you know, you have this, this moment of realizing you don't know the extent of your impact. And so fixating on that can really mess up your, you know, kind of your head game. But if you do it from a place of just service, you know, and talking to yourself like. Year before, or anybody, as you said, just one person that you might be able to help like, that's really, I think, helpful in getting over this idea of, I don't want to be vulnerable, or I'm not sure if my stories have value, yeah,

Chris Jordan:

and I do want to like what you just shared, of your experience of someone coming up to you and saying, I love what you're saying and everything that you're doing, and they're not like commenting or engaging. That is the biggest unlock. One of my other favorite examples is, I've worked with this other guy who was putting out some posts, and, you know, again, he was kind of having that like, oh, it's not performing as great as I want it to. And then he got a message from someone that he hadn't heard from in over 20 years, and the guy had not liked or commented or anything. He just reached out. He's like, Hey, I'm loving those stories. Would love to catch up. Those guys are now business partners, and it's just true time and time again, like the people who have reached out to, to to me, to, you know, ask about help, and stuff like that. They're always people that never comment, never like, and that's okay. It's like this weird thing that you need like, you just need to accept. But also it's, it's really freeing, because the goal isn't to put out stuff to get a bunch of likes. The goal is to put out something that you feel can help one person. And if you do that, like that, should you that's what's in your control. And so I honestly do think that this was really important, because so many people might hear this and they're like, Yeah, I love this. I should start telling my stories and sharing more, and then they're just going to go on about their day, and they're not going to take action on it. And I totally get it, but the biggest thing is, it's not about likes or followers or any of that stuff. It is just about putting your voice out into the world, because you never know who is paying attention. And I just think, like, sure, if you get something that blows up and reaches millions of people, that's great, but there's a huge impact that you can have even if it reaches 10 people.

Kim Bolourtchi:

the other thing I do want to say, you know, and I'm a no BS person, is that the more honest we are, the more genuine we are- it is really scary. And, I still lean toward be honest. Be who you are. Be vulnerable. Use your voice, you know, even if it's really scary and really hard because there isn't anyone who speaks like you. Your voice, your knowledge, your experience, your story, whatever it is you feel like you want to share, to help somebody that can only come from you. And with that, if that means you're not going to see your content anywhere else, so you're not going to get affirmation that this is you know, out there. And so it's going to feel really extra scary if you're being super transparent and vulnerable. And I just want people to know that, yeah, it totally is scary and it's worth doing. So if you post it and you delete it, like I do, occasionally, get back up and try again the next day,

Chris Jordan:

I love that. And yeah, I think that I mentioned this earlier, but we don't have to go from zero to 100 and what you're willing to share, it is a gradual thing. I have the the fortune, and this is honestly where, for me, it was like, Oh, it's so obvious, so easy. I have been creating content since I was, like, 10 years old. I don't know why my parents allowed me to have a computer, but it's one of those things where, like, I was very early. I was, like, one of the first kids in my school to be making YouTube videos at the point, like, right now, every kid makes YouTube videos. When I did it, I was bullied for it. I've been doing this time and time again for so many years that it feels obvious to me, but I can promise you, yes, I was 10, so maybe that cuts me a little bit of slack, but it was terrible. I go back, and sometimes we'll review some stuffs and stuff, and I'm like, oh my goodness, and over, you know, but it's really like every time though, you can see the progression. And with you, you can see the progression in the stories that you've been telling for the last couple of months. And so it really is about zero to one, one to 10, and just like one, one post at a time, you

Kim Bolourtchi:

You know somebody out there who's like, Okay, I'm inspired. What's, what's one piece of advice you can give them right now that you know, if they're going to go sit down at their computer, what would you tell them to do?

Chris Jordan:

Yeah, so I think that one of the easiest things to find a way to tell a story would be look at the last month and say, What is something that I experienced over this last month that objectively was difficult, or maybe it was you achieved something, and recap that story. If it was difficult, you say, you know, as an example, like, let's work, let's you want to workshop one with with you real quick? Okay, so in the last month, what is something that was difficult for you that now you're on the other side of?

Kim Bolourtchi:

In the last month, I started having this idea that maybe it was time to start writing another book, and I just had a lot of thoughts and feelings about it, because I'm, you know, in The last year I've really geared up to do more keynote speaking, and I'm really focusing on that. And this, this feeling just wouldn't go away, like it's time to start writing. You need to write. And I was really struggling with it, you know, is it the time should I do it? I don't know. Do I have the resources to put toward it? Do I have the time to put toward it? And ultimately I realized I was thinking of it as sort of an either or either I focus on speaking or I do the book, and it's both. And so I kind of woke up and I was like, oh, it's both, and I'm just gonna just start writing it and see what happens. And once I started writing, I kind of didn't stop writing. And so now I'm like, in this total flow with it, and everything else is still moving forward.

Chris Jordan:

I love that. So that's an example of something that was, was difficult. You're on the other side of it. Now, if I were looking at it and say, like, Okay, well, what's the story here to mean there's, there's two stories there, actually, potentially, or you can combine it into one, you know, and that's what is also true. Sometimes you'd be like, okay, you know, are there multiple stories here? And then you figure out like that, maybe we combine them. But ultimately, what I heard is you wanted to write a book, but you were overthinking it, and you were struggling with that. I think most of the time, we see people that have published their book and just, I'm like, Oh, it's so easy for them, so difficult for me. I've never written one, or I've never finished one. You know, I've got 20 Google Docs open. You know, that are drafts of books that I've not finished, because on social media, all you see is people I finished my book, go buy it, and I'm like, good for you, but like, man, however, you actually have the opportunity here to do the opposite. You can say, I'm writing my next book. That might sound exciting, but actually, for me, it's been terrifying. I have been overthinking it. I have been wondering if it's the right use of my time. I've been trying to focus on building my keynote speaking business up, and trying to figure out, you know, it, if it was, you know, one or the other. And what I realized is I can do both, and I made that switch, and suddenly I'm doing keynote speaking, and I've started writing this book, and actually can barely stop writing this book. I'm so excited about it, but I want to share this with you guys, because you so often just see people's finished products, their finished book that's ready for you to read. One day, you will be able to read this right now. I have just started it because I just spent however many months obsessing over is it the right thing to do, and being self conscious about it, and all of these doubts. But now I'm doing it, and so I want to, you know, encourage you, if you have a book inside of you, or a project that you're like, you're just on the fence about, even though you want to do it. So bad things don't have to be one or the other. You know, you have your phrase right, like, it's the power of and, and so then that's one way you can bring one of your like, you know, sort of things you'd love to talk about into this story as well. But then that immediately, instead of you just saying, Oh, I'm writing a or eat like, because some people might be like, Oh, I'm writing a book, and they leave it at that, and it's like, oh, that's so exciting. Like, they just have this inspiration to write a book. Like, look at them. And instead you're like, I'm writing a book. But it's not as flashy as it might seem like. Here's the. Actual reality behind it, because that is like, I'm excited for you to be writing a book, but I actually love you just sharing that with me, because that makes me think about the 20 Google Docs of books that I've never finished because I start and then I hit that roadblock that no one really talks about, because everyone talks about their finished books, and that's a way where you literally you can share the same thing. I'll be excited for you, but now I'm like, seeing myself in it. I'm like, Oh yeah, you're the you have the same struggle I did, but you pushed through it. So let me pull up my Google Doc and start writing this book again, right? Like, that's a way where we just workshop something that was difficult for you in the last month, and now you've overcome it, but there's a way where we tell it in a way that's like, vulnerable. You admit that it's not easy, and that's not something to be afraid of, because that actually makes me like, I want to read your book way more than the 20 others I've seen on LinkedIn just this morning.

Unknown:

You see how that like, that makes sense?

Kim Bolourtchi:

It totally does. And I just have to say, you are a freaking genius, like everybody. Do you see how good he is? It's amazing. Um, you just so naturally will take something that is, you know, an unthought through thought, and turn it into like, what it is. You're not, you're not changing what it is, but you have such an amazing way of helping it form into a story, you know, like, like, you took what I said, and then I'm listening to you, and I'm like, Oh yeah, that's exactly right. And I could totally say that, and yes, you're right. That would really be in service. And that feels good to me. So thank you for that. That was awesome. And I'm, I'm absolutely gonna make that post.

Chris Jordan:

I was gonna say I was like, what we have to see is that going up, you know, sometime very, very soon, I'm excited to read it. Thank you. Thank you.

Kim Bolourtchi:

Please tell everyone how they can reach out to you, if they want to connect with you, if they want to work with you. Obviously, they just got a taste of your brilliance in action, which I'm super excited about. But how, how can my listeners connect with you?

Chris Jordan:

the best way, my most favorite way, is to just reach out over LinkedIn. One day, I'll be smart enough to have a website. But right now, I'm focused on LinkedIn, and that's, you know, the easiest way where, you know, would love to just chat with anybody and everybody with no agenda attached. I would just love to know, you know, what resonated with you in this episode. You know, maybe share, if it's easy to share a story that you're not, not ready to tell to the world, but you want to see how we could workshop, it would be more than happy to, you know, be of service to you in that. And, yeah, that's really the the easiest place to connect with me is over on LinkedIn, amazing.

Kim Bolourtchi:

And I will say that's you and I met, um, kind of over an informal call where somebody had said, um, you know, kind of put your name out in the universe, and I reached out. We had a conversation. In our first conversation, I recognized that you are extraordinarily good at, you know, kind of bringing out the stories and and sort of helping, you know, illuminate voice in a space I'm not comfortable in, which is, you know, kind of the LinkedIn social media space. So for anybody who has stories inside of you, or you're not even sure if you really do, but you feel like you've got things to say and you want to be of service in the world. Chris is really an awesome ally, so I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to chat today. It's been so much fun and and incredibly helpful, because I'm going to go, when we get off this podcast, I'm going to do a new LinkedIn post. So thank you so much.

Chris Jordan:

Thank you. This has been so much fun. I love it. There's so many things that you know, like I said, if I sit down and write this, it wouldn't have come out as easy. And now, like I equally, I'm like, oh, there's so many things I can now tell so thank you so much for the space and the time and for the invitation, I really appreciate it

Unknown:

absolutely

Kim Bolourtchi:

everyone you've been listening to get unruly, and I look forward to seeing you next time you.